The Strategy Room w/ Alan Colmes, health insurance amendment
June 25th, 2010
Interview with Congressman Dennis Kucinich, July 24 2009, Alan Colmes Fox News.
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@TheBerkeleyBear
Yes I did.
Health is a much better safety net than insurance.
Like so many other of my contemporaries you willfully confuse the two. Having willfully confused actual health with taking from others to provide payments to caretakers for circumstances that would have better been avoided you now think you have justified Lawful theft. My advice to you, stay healthy. It’s a helluva lot less expensive than seeking after-care. Health is a process, not a payment plan.
@maskedphrogg you didnt reply to the concept the health insurance is a social safety net
@TheBerkeleyBear
A month to come up with that misinformed rebuttal?
Once more you are wrong. Depression is actively sought by the parties who will benefit. Please, for your own benefit and edification, review the Forsaken Depression of the 1920′s. I call it forsaken because it was evaded and to date is nearly forgotten. Though the economy was reported to be in worse shape than it would be during the onset to the Great Depression, great losses were avoided. FDR utterly mishandled GD, cui bono
@maskedphrogg of course I can say the same. However, the factor you could never take into account with that logic is the idea of a depression. A depression hurts EVERYONE. We’re nearing that. Government controlling our healthcare is great because it’s a social safety net
@soundmoneyfan
Are you a neo-con in Tea Party clothing?
That you find the Politicking of the Day to be acceptable is a rather odd stance for an alleged Libertarian.
Yes, I find much if not most of the programs you cite as examples of contemporary Radicalism. The GOP for two centuries represented limited and small government. These cites drastically diverge from that concept.
Unlike Obama, and apparently you also, I find the process to be of utmost importance. The very fabric of governance.
@maskedphrogg Jefferson abused the Constitution in many many ways when he was president, that is what I was pointing out. If you are saying that the procedures they are using to pass their legislation makes them radical, than again you misusing the word. If you think the health care bill is “radical” then Bob Dole was a radical in 1994 and Mitt Romney is a radical as well. This bill is an expected result of corporatism. Are you new to following politics? Yeah its f&%king awful, but not radical
@soundmoneyfan
Not all reform is radical.
Jefferson was a contemporary with and co-author of the US Constitution. Rather contradictory to label him a radical reformer of a document he helped author.
The reforms promoted by Obama are drastic. So is the manner is which he and his group of Statists are employing to enact these radical changes in Gov authority to affect property takings. Parliamentary procedure has NEVER been used previously to enact Law with the broad scope that HR3590 does.
@maskedphrogg: Of course, I know Obama’s policies are in opposition to me; I am a libertarian of 15 years. The problem here is you are misusing the word “radical”. Radical in to political sense is defined by the dictionary as “favoring drastic political, economic, or social reforms”. I’m saying Obama is not offering drastic reforms, just more corporatism. If ignoring the Constitution is radical than pretty much every president including Jefferson himself was “radical”. haha.
@TheBerkeleyBear
Apparently you cannot say the same of yourself.
No surprise then that you turn, grab your tail, and run away.
@soundmoneyfan
Reread my posting.
All you’ve done is reiterate the points *I* made using different words.
What part of “just as radical (etal) as his predecessor…” contradicts what you just claimed is business as usual?
Over the long haul of history the course the Bush’s, the Clinton’s, and now Obama pursue *is* radical and in direct opposition to the explicitly expressed guidelines of the US Constitution.
As a Sound Money Fan, how can you not see Obama’s Policy Framework is in opposition 2U
@maskedphrogg: Since you know what is going on and that all Obama is doing basically continuing the strides of the last century to undermined the individual in order to serve special interest and short term political gain, what is so radical about Obama? He is driving our country down the same path as before. Yes, at a faster speed, but the end result is the same. Nothing radical and when people make it about Obama the fact that the whole system is doomed is over looked. Thats my only point.
wow, fox actually gave Dennis a sympathetic ear?
@TheBerkeleyBear
No red Bear, you are making that suggestion, and do so while assuming your readers will accept it as accurate though it is not.
I am a capable and productive citizen who will not wont for employ or income. I am also literate and fairly well educated. I practice those traits and learn more each week. I will not be the beggar in the street who cannot or is not willing to support himself.
Can you say same?
@soundmoneyfan
Excuse me? “Get over it”
I will not get over it. Obama’s policies are just as radical and just as destructive as his predecessor GW Bush. In point of fact, they are nearly identical policies when you disregard the notion that GW Bush would have left more choice to the individual where Obama demands certain decisions be made by government on behalf of the individual. Considering the mandates on individual participation in the insurance industry now Law, Obamao is further right GWB
@maskedphrogg Are you truly suggesting that if you were fired and had no income whatsoever, you would be fine with slowly dying on the sidewalk. This health IS yours so government has no right to help you. I find what you’re saying rather hard to swallow.
@maskedphrogg:I too was disappointed when he folded his principle fight for a single payer system to help win one for the D-team. Obama’s number one goal is to get re-elected. The only real answers for healthcare is to either go libertarian or far left socialist like Dennis would like. Obama is doing neither and therefore is as bad as Bush (medicare D/corporate handout) was but with more zeros on the end. Even if he is a radical (which I think is right-wing BS), his policies are not. Get over it
@soundmoneyfan
I’m confusing you?
How do you think I feel about Dennis now that he’s jumped the shark and virtually single handedly caused the most regressive set of tax and spending mandates ever passed by Congress to be handed to a Radical President that is on a mission to punish the US for every imagined and imaginable transgression the Nation may have ever committed.
I’d rather he quit his Office like that buffoon Sarah Palin than fold his principles in the manner he has done.
@maskedphrogg: So is he in or out of your favor? you are confusing me
@soundmoneyfan
I don’t confine myself to single issues. Dennis proved his worthiness for government office by his service as Mayor of Cleveland and as a State Senator for Ohio’s 23rd District.
Full disclosure: I am not now nor have I ever been a resident of Ohio. I do follow issues and give favor, occasionally money, to politicians of merit or note. Kucinich’s well known battles with corruption in gov in both Cleveland and Ohio gave me notice of him as a politician to be aware of.
@maskedphrogg: if you only favor people who believe in free market health care, why was Dennis ever in “your favor”? He has been an advocate for single payer ever since he was the Mayor of Cleveland.
No Dennis, my health is MINE!
It’s not yours to gamble and negotiate as a State claim.
Start talking about a Private Option for Health Care and you’ll win my favor back.